Watch or Listen. Exploring possible origins of Cancel Culture in the collective unconscious, the effects of this culture on us, and ways in which we can develop our individuality to free ourselves.
I had to stop after 5 minutes into the podcast, so sorry if it has been covered after...
IMO, I am not so sure we can make a distinction between people who can "deserve to be cancelled" because they cause physical harm.
Very recently Wim Butler, singer, songwriter and co-founder of the band Arcade Fire has been accused of sexual misconducts, which caused a wave of "cancel behaviours".
Some of my friends started to vilified him, cancelled their tickets for their show and never wanted to listen to Arcade Fire ever again,
Before these horrible events were known to the public, Wim Butler was a real hero to my same friends and his songs were considered the best ever written. I have to say, Arcade Fire is one of the best indie band, hands down. So what changed ? Do we have to stop listening to songs so beautiful that they make you cry because the singer is a "bad & horrible" man ?
I am not excusing Wim's behavior which is absolutely disgusting, and I won't stop listening to his art.
Evil can make beauty, and if we cannot hold this contradiction and we prefer to cancel "everything" because it is too complex (i.e. bad cannot produce good things), then we still have work to do and embrace even more our shadows...
I think this is very relevant, and a great point to add. We do cover this later in the episode, about toppling idols because they did something offensive. For me it comes to separating the "teacher from the teaching" and the "artist from the art". I totally agree we need to learn how to do this as many geniuses carry the crazy gene and have a lot to contribute to the world, even if their shadow takes over at some point, we can still enjoy their creations.
There will be a part 2 to this episode where we will be covering more nuances on this topic.
"One thing that comes up on the episode is how it is hard for us to receive compliments and how we are so starved for compliments. Either we try to deflect them or they inflate our ego. I think that also relates to connecting to our authentic self with others who are on a similar journey. We are so starved for authentic conversation, thoughts, ideas, and even (respectful) disagreements that we either don't trust them (am I just subscribing to brainwashing or an echo chamber?) or we accept what the people say as gospel and don't question it. With compliments we should hear them, evaluate them, accept them (if genuine) or ignore them (if not) and then move on. Similarly with comments/conversations--hear them, evaluate them, ponder them, develop your own thoughts about them and react accordingly (continue the discussion or move on)."
I had to stop after 5 minutes into the podcast, so sorry if it has been covered after...
IMO, I am not so sure we can make a distinction between people who can "deserve to be cancelled" because they cause physical harm.
Very recently Wim Butler, singer, songwriter and co-founder of the band Arcade Fire has been accused of sexual misconducts, which caused a wave of "cancel behaviours".
Some of my friends started to vilified him, cancelled their tickets for their show and never wanted to listen to Arcade Fire ever again,
Before these horrible events were known to the public, Wim Butler was a real hero to my same friends and his songs were considered the best ever written. I have to say, Arcade Fire is one of the best indie band, hands down. So what changed ? Do we have to stop listening to songs so beautiful that they make you cry because the singer is a "bad & horrible" man ?
I am not excusing Wim's behavior which is absolutely disgusting, and I won't stop listening to his art.
Evil can make beauty, and if we cannot hold this contradiction and we prefer to cancel "everything" because it is too complex (i.e. bad cannot produce good things), then we still have work to do and embrace even more our shadows...
I think this is very relevant, and a great point to add. We do cover this later in the episode, about toppling idols because they did something offensive. For me it comes to separating the "teacher from the teaching" and the "artist from the art". I totally agree we need to learn how to do this as many geniuses carry the crazy gene and have a lot to contribute to the world, even if their shadow takes over at some point, we can still enjoy their creations.
There will be a part 2 to this episode where we will be covering more nuances on this topic.
Comment on related post by Kristen: https://ti0x.substack.com/p/whatch-party-0/comment/8781426
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"One thing that comes up on the episode is how it is hard for us to receive compliments and how we are so starved for compliments. Either we try to deflect them or they inflate our ego. I think that also relates to connecting to our authentic self with others who are on a similar journey. We are so starved for authentic conversation, thoughts, ideas, and even (respectful) disagreements that we either don't trust them (am I just subscribing to brainwashing or an echo chamber?) or we accept what the people say as gospel and don't question it. With compliments we should hear them, evaluate them, accept them (if genuine) or ignore them (if not) and then move on. Similarly with comments/conversations--hear them, evaluate them, ponder them, develop your own thoughts about them and react accordingly (continue the discussion or move on)."